That's why some people start with 45-90 brass. (Commission Internationale Permanente pour l'Epreuve des Armes à Feu Portatives) rulings for this cartridge (2017). Cartridges m/1889 (8x58 mm RD) had 4.7 gram (73 grain) compressed black powder and a 30.7 gram (476,4 grain) heavy copper jacked bullet with a diameter of 8.25 mm (0.33 inches) and 57 mm long (2.24 inches) brass case in bottle shape with a rim and central firing cap. The guy who had a similar failure at Bisley some years ago thought that he had loaded 30grn of 2400. [7] Denmark modernized military loading of the 8×58mmR in 1908 using smokeless powder with spitzer bullets;[3] and Danish troops were still armed with the 8×58mmR when Germany invaded in 1940. For Sale: One original issued military cleaning rod for a Swedish manufactured Rolling Block rifle. The 8×58mmR Danish Krag also known as the 8×58mmRD is a late 19th-century rimmed centerfire military rifle cartridge similar to other early smokeless powder designs. Yes there is much concern about shooting the 8x58 R rolling blocks over 2,000 fps. But I do know alot about the 1889 Swedish rolling block that fires the 8x58RD … I have seen a photograph of one other failure which did appear to have a possible fatigue crack in the breach--the whole thing was pretty rusty so it was not possible to be sure. Until the 1960's, Norma made a factory load in 8x58RD using a 12,7 g soft point and a claimed velocity of 680 m/s, with respect due to the many rolling block rifles being used for hunting in Sweden. The Swedish Rolling Block 8x58R Rifle. THESE RIFLES WILL VARY FOR HEADSPACE! The action shows the royal Swedish crown over the “C” which indicated Carl Gustafs factory. It was briefly adopted by Norway and Sweden and remained the standard Danish service rifle cartridge from 1889 until 1945.[2][1][4]. I've used 12 to 14 grs of Unique with the Lee 200 gr cast bullets in the 8x58Rmm. All production rifles were meant to be manufactured at Kongsberg Våpenfabrik in Norway, but since the factory needed to be upgraded with more modern machinery, 5000 of the first … This second hand Rolling Block Rifle requires a firearm licence. The 8×58mmR Danish Krag also known as the 8×58mmRD is a late 19th-century rimmed centerfire military rifle cartridge similar to other early smokeless powder designs. rolling block rifles, and a reduced charge load using the Dane bullet was developed for these rifles. If your rifle is old with a less than ideal bore and is dark with some pitting and erosion, my bore polishing method will help with accuracy. There are no official C.I.P. 8x50R Lebel (Remington) 4. I lucked into a set of 8x58R RCBS dies for cheap, tried reforming a 45-110 case I had cut down with no luck (creased neck). The 8×58mmR Danish Krag has 4.55 ml (70.2 grains H2O) cartridge case capacity. CHECK YOUR HEAD SPACE DO NOT GUESS! The cartridge design is similar, in the shape/volume of other smokeless center-fire rifle cartridges that are suitable for H4895 and Hodgdon's 60% rule for reduced recoil/youth loads. Also, the most basic rule for cast bullet fit in rifles is to use a bullet diameter that you verify with ink on a loaded round. We can load these with properly head stamped cases … Those 60% loads of H4895 very generally produce excellent accuracy for cast bullets in center-fire rifles. The latter being an old German differing chambering. Any help for a cast bullet load that is safe in the old Rolling block would be a big help.ThanksJon, http://www.castbulletassoc.org/view_user.php?id=9647>weldaj. Recently with the Influx of surplus Rolling Block rifles by dealers such as Simpson LTD and Allan’s Armory . I'm not too much of a Rolling Block man, but they are cool rifles. My method: http://www.castbulletassoc.org/view_topic.php?id=8364&forum_id=63>http://www.castbulletassoc.org/viewtopic.php?id=8364&forumid=63. The 8x58R for rolling-block sporters was popular and the military adopted it, but in the Krag-Jørgensen rifle. This ambidextrous Rifle has a 33" barrel, please call or email for further information. The Association's central purpose is to help shooters enjoy casting bullets, You must enable JavaScript to be able to use this site in full, Welcome to The Cast Bullet Association Forum, TC Contenders & Other Single Shot Handguns. Learn from CBA members that have been casting their entire life. A partial list include… The velocity was 535 m/s or … [5] This Pmax level range is extreme, so loading up to a high Pmax level can be dangerous in historic arms. Carlos16. Ø lands = 7.89 mm (0.311 in), Ø grooves = 8.20 mm (0.323 in). The rolling block was quite popular in Scandinavia for sporting purposes and was chambered in various rounds, including some smoke-less. [3] Its service in Sweden was very brief, though, since the 6.5×55mm was developed by Sweden and Norway in 1891, formally approved in 1893, and entered service in the Norwegian Krag–Jørgensen rifle in 1894, and in the Swedish Mauser carbine in 1894 and rifle in 1896. Thanks again.Jon. Description: Danish Rolling Block Model 1870 rifle. Thanks again.Jon Conversion date 1892. Why Choose Us? Email Me; Posted on February 23, 2013 February 24, 2013 by David. Thanks GaryI do have 4895 so will give it a try. For necksizing/seating 8mm cartridges, I find 8x50 Lebel dies useful. Serial # 10576. Model: Rolling Block; Action/Type: other; Calibre: 8X58R; Sight: Adjustable; Listed: December 11, 2020 11:07 am; Expires: This ad has expired; Description PENDING SALE. The action as mentioned above is of the single shot Rolling Block type and has been brought to a spectacular case-hardened finish, as standard. In early October 1866, a joint Swedish-Norwegianarms commission was established in order to select a suitable cartridge and rifle for the two nations. Why re-create Custer's Rolling Block Rifle? Original cleaning rod for the 8x58R military rifle. It has again given this cartridge new … Don't sit and wait for data to roll in. weldaj wrote: Thanks GaryI do have 4895 so will give it a try. [1], Surplus military rifles have been used for hunting; and ammunition was manufactured in Otterup and by Norma Precision after World War II. Several different cartridges and rifles were considered by the commission. Ill will use the 60% rule to get me started. Any help for a cast bullet load that is safe in the old Rolling block would be a big help.ThanksJon All sizes in millimeters (mm). IMR Trailboss with it's general instructions for use, also apply to your cartridge. Ill will use the 60% rule to get me started. Swedish Model 1867/89 Rolling Block Rifle. Danish arms expert Bjorn Nielsen has written that operating pressures for the 8x58R Danish Krag cartridge used in the M-67/89 increased with the rapid development of smokeless powder in the late 19th Century until, by the time the Rolling Blocks were taken out of official service in 1908, the maximum had risen to 45,000 psi. $35.00 + $7 S&H- The low pressure of H4895 60% loads works best with softer bullet alloys like straight wheel-weight or reclaimed shot as cast and not drop chilled. I got this load years ago from O. H. McKagen — who swore by it in the old black powder cartridge military rifles: from .45 caliber to 11mm and .50 caliber. The CBA is a international organization of shooters who enjoy casting and shooting lead alloy bullets for competition, hunting, experimenting, and casual shooting. The Remington M1867 rolling block rifle was the first rifle using metallic cartridges to be adopted by the Norwegian and Swedish armies. [6], The cartridge was developed in Denmark in 1888 using round-nosed bullets with 4 grams (62 gr) of gunpowder, and adopted the following year by Denmark in the Krag–Jørgensen M89 rifle. In original military configuration. WILL MARK AS SOLD WHEN COMPLETE Husqvarna manufactured Rolling Block. This ambidextrous Rifle has a 30" barrel, please call or email for further information. The Cast Bullet Association is an organization of shooters who enjoy shooting cast lead bullets in rifles and handguns for competition, hunting, or informal target shooting. I posted on Cast Boolits also. The polishing will reduce the abrasion a rough bore causes on cast bullets. Best intentions - professional gun writers. The .43 Spanish rounds … This cleaning rod is for the full length military rifle chambered 8x58R. Smaller diameter bullets won't get a stable start and they will wobble down the bore and then shoot all over the place. The dimensions of this drawing come from the ammunition manufacturer RWS and differ somewhat between various sources. There’s an undeniable allure attached to the single shot rifle, a romantic frontier idyll that calls to mind both the rugged individualism of days gone by and the skilled marksmanship and confidence required of the man who would use such a weapon. It was briefly adopted by Norway and Sweden and remained the standard Danish service rifle cartridge from 1889 until 1945. Have a question? How did you figure out the specifics of this rifle? In the 1860s the Swedish and Norwegian armies realized that their standard rifles, both percussion lock breech-loading rifles and muzzle loaders, were rapidly becoming obsolete in the face of the new metal cartridge combining bullet, primer and propellant load. Contact the seller today using our contact form. Usually .060" or .070" so we offer the ammo and brass both ways. I had successfully used this load in a Remington .50-70 New York State rolling block rifle, my 11 mm Dutch Beaumont, and other, similar guns. Bullets were cylindrical and long, whilst Grooves were deep (BP Practice). This gun has been sporterized (probably in Europe) very nicely with a two leaf rear sight and a nice ramp front sight. Off the top of my head, these were the modern smokeless powder calibers offered by the factories that made the rifles: 1. Reloading for the 8X58RD. This is currently loaded obsolete ammunition for 8x58R Danish Krag rifles with .060" headspace. 2 position rear sight. Load cast bullets with 60% H4895 and start shooting. Americans would define the shoulder angle at alpha/2 ≈ 16.5 degrees. Metal finish 80% on the barrel, smooth and clean. Sling swivel on barrel and stock. Bite the bullet and get some H4895, it is the only rifle powder recommended by the maker for reduced loads in rifles and it is very compatible in pressure curve for cast pullets, giving a “soft start” that enhances cast bullet accuracy. Loaded with our reformed cases (#8X58RDANISH) and a 150 grain .323" diameter bullet (#HOB3232). This rod is 30.5 inches long with slotted tip for the patch and fine machine threaded bottom to fit the rod stop. Photo by Mike Hudson. The “1871” is the date … Original Item: Only One Available. It's used in Swedish Rolling Block rifles and Danish Krags. to .458 Win Mag and I am always confident I can find a load with H4895 and cast bullets whenever I try something new in rifle/cast. I have looked around the web and cant find any load data for a 8X58R Danish rolling block. {8X58R centerfire}. And today I reformed some 45-70 brass into 8X58RD, also known as the 8X58R Danish. Jon, I hope you will post pictures of your rifle, new ammo that you make, and a fired target group. The 60% loads will not require gas checks and simple tumble lube like Lee Liquid Alox or White's 45:45:10 Deluxe works well. 7x57 Mauser (Remington) 2. This second hand Rolling Block Rifle requires a firearm licence. With the low receiver strength of most rolling blocks built for the 8x58R I would suggest 3031 may be of extreme pressure - since I have not seen any reliable data to use this in that cartridge or that receiver. I think it was too think since it was a 110 and not a 70 or 90. Buy a 8x58R Gustav, Carl Remington Rolling Block Sporter Rolling Block Rifle online today. Although modern weapons may have been designed for smokeless powder loadings, their similarity to arms designed for gunpowder loadings causes uncertainty about the safety of firing modern cartridges in weapons lacking proof test documentation. Carl Gustafs manufactured in 1875. Danish Rolling Block; Non Danish (Foreigners) Til Gevær. Rolling block breach mechanism held. A dangerous error can occur when confusion occurs between the 8×58mmR Danish Krag and the 8×58mmR. Anyway, when you use 45-70 brass, the 8X58RD ends up being about .150" short in the neck. Wood is in VG condition. Also, If you are loading for a Danish Rolling Block, I don't think you are looking for hot loads. 8x58R Swedish Rolling Block Rifle. I also don't think I know everything about the 8x58R Danish cartridge, known in Sweden as the 8x58RD. This was a military cartridge adopted by Denmark & Sweden.in 1889 for the Krag Jorgensen rifles in 1889 . Personally, I use H4895 with cast bullets in all my cartridges from .223 Rem. Top PM Register To Reply. You might have to tinker with bullet hardness for best results. Swedish Rolling Block Rifle. Nominally it had a caliber of 4 decimal lines, but the actual caliber was 3.88 Norwegian decimal lines or 4.1 Swedish decimal lines (12.17 mm), and it fired a rimfire round with a 12.615 mm (.497 in) lead bullet. The best fit will show the ink on your bullet's first driving band slightly scrubbed all the way around by your chamber throat. 8x58R Danish, 1889 Swedish rolling block, Remingtongevär. Contact the seller today using our contact form. [3], Danish M1889 round-nosed and M1908 spitzer service ammunition, "Historical and Experimental Investigations of the Pressure Characteristics of the 8x58 Rimmed Danish Cartridge", Historical and Experimental Investigations of the Pressure Characteristics of the 8x58 Rimmed Danish Cartridge by Galen R. Burgett, Spearfish, South Dakota USA, February 9, 2009, https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=8×58mmR_Danish_Krag&oldid=1003198073, Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License, This page was last edited on 27 January 2021, at 21:39. Receiver tarnish/minor surface corrosion. Guess I'll pass up any 8x58R Rolling Block too, I might come across. Ink the bullet, chamber the round and un-chamber the round. Our 5520 members have posted 78085 times in 5075 discussions. Remington Rolling Block Danish 8X58R. I posted on Cast Boolits also. 8×58mmR Danish Krag cartridge dimensions. 8x58R Danish Krag M1889 . The Model 1901/02 Remington Rolling Block was made for higher pressure rifle ammunition than the earlier 1868 and 1879 rifles. By Mike Hudson. A grand total of 58,450 Remington M1867 were delivered to the Norwegian Armed Forces from 1867 until 1883, when production was curtailed to make room for the Jarmann M1884. Rifles in that caliber are generally old, the opinion of a good gunsmith on the shoot-ability of the rifle supersedes finding a load.....I don't know your rifle! Norma also made a batch of M1908 The 8x58R Danish (and Swedish) cartridge was developed in the era of BP, with the change over to Smokeless (or semi-smokeless) Powder. You don't have data to suggest the MAXIMUM of H4895 for your cartridge but you can safely use 60% of your available case volume with a bullet seated for a START or Target load. The rifles were manufactured in Sweden using Remington rolling block patents and machinery. NOTE: if you have any doubt, contact Hodgdon Powders and ask them if their 60% Rule for H4895 is suitable or not for your particular cartridge. 06-04-2013 11:43 AM #6. Sweden implemented a major arsenal rebuilding of Remington Rolling Block rifles for the 8×58mmR, and Norway experimentally compared 8×58mmR Remington Rolling Block conversions to the Jarmann M1884. Varying sources quote the 8×58mmR Danish Krag can handle from 180.00 MPa (26,107 psi) up to 306.00 MPa (44,382 psi) Pmax piezo pressure. 8x58R Danish (Husqvarna) 3. First off, I don't think I know everything about rolling block rifles. I have looked around the web and cant find any load data for a 8X58R Danish rolling block. Buy a 8x58R Gustav, Carl Remington Rolling Block Service Rolling Block Rifle online today. Look for your answers in our Forum and in our bi-monthly publication the Fouling Shot. Documentation is scarce for the design pressure specifications of these surplus firearms.